I hate to keep going on about this. It's only appropriate response is total snark; regardless of what Nick says about engaging the opposition in debate, in this case (as in so many others) the whackjobs don't want any real debate; they want soundbites, they want to push emotional buttons.
However, A transcript of Sam Seder talking about Fox's War! On ! Christmas! was, I thought, rather telling.While Seder was sarcastically talking about the links between Santa and Saddam, and torturing elves, Bob Knight of the Culture And Family Institute was having none of it:
KNIGHT: These businesses are taking millions and millions of dollars in from Christians, in particular, and others who celebrate Christmas, giving gifts in the name of the Christmas season, and yet they're so worried about offending people like my opponent here that they don't want to mention the word Christmas. People are sick and tired.
SEDER: Bob, it's the holiday time, I'm not your opponent.
KNIGHT: Yes, you are. Yes, you are.
SEDER: I do agree with Bob. I think what should happen is companies should calculate how much money they're getting from people who are celebrating Christmas and provide exactly that much amount of Merry Christmas, because that is exactly how I would want any type of religious holiday to be celebrated.
While Seder treats the issue mainly sarcastically, and gives it the attention it deserves, note that comment from Knight up there: he insists that Sam Seder is his opponent, regardless of what Sam says. Or maybe the only way that he would relent on that statement is with total capitulation and agreement.
Regardless of the subject, this is endemic of so much of what gets pushed into the public discourse, mainly through fringe talk shows like Rush Limbaugh and Charlie Sykes or media spigots like Drudge: simplistic, us vs. them emotional tangles where the enemy must be defeated. I won't say that non of this comes from the Left, but I would be hard pressed to be able to identify media sources fostering this kind of black/white debate from the left.
Disregarding the political value of fostering this kind of debate and its ability to distract (look! Something Shiny!), I see a personality that has been taught to fear, to need fear, to need the 'other' - an Enemy- through the years of the Cold War. All those years of hating and fearing the Commies, whistled away in the wind when Russia fell apart, leaving no one to fill the void. And this whole cottage industry based on creating and demonizing someone -anyone- has sprung up to fill the void. Invisible hand of the marketplace, indeed.
Gays, Blacks, Liberals, Democrats, Feminists, Muslims, and now...what? Anti-Christmastonians? Santa-holics?
None of this argument has much of anything to do with the idea of keeping religion, and Religion™ separated from Government; nearly completely separate argument.
As Michael Moore pointed out in Bowling For Columbine, it has much more to do with the culture of fear that has developed in America. Barry Glassner has also written about this. Perhaps gestated during the Cold War, it has been fed and strengthened by the crisis oriented news programming, making Americans feel that our country is much more dangerous than ever before; this fear seeks an outlet creating enemies for this fear is what I see going on here.
Basically, there is a subset of people around, (and I doubt that it's limited to America, but I would say they are most well nurtured here) that need an enemy, that have a desperate desire to have someone they can hate.
Of course, being a liberal, I have compassion for someone so empty, so lost, that their life is incomplete without someone to hate. But the real irony, the jagged contrast that brings it all into stark relief, is that this virulent War On Christmas bile is being thrust into the limelight during what is ostensibly the season of love and forgiveness; further, that it is being savagely argued by self-identified Christians, a religion whose highest ideals are love, tolerance, forgiveness, and peace.
As a Christian, I believe that TRUE Christians would be happy to disassociate the real meaning of Christmas (the birth of Christ) from the blatant commercialization that Christmas has become. Why bitch about Target employee's greetings of "Happy Holidays" and instead be happy that the real message of "Merry Christmas" remains a personal, spiritual feeling shared with family and in church, and NOT a marketing slogan attached to a 50% markdown on DVD players.
ReplyDeleteBut then hypocrisy is what the neo-cons do better than anything else.
well said.
ReplyDeleteBut it seems that the commercialization of Christmas is last generation's argument.
Indeed, part of the furor being raised by Hume-O'reilly seems to be based on the fact that commercialization of the season is the key for retaileres, and as such they should bow down to the Judeo-Christian requirements (as defined by Hume-O'Reilly, of course) in deference, and ignore all other aspects of what is objectively a Holiday Season.
Fuck it- this year I'm giving Solstice gifts and celebrating Festivus.
Festivus! The holiday for the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteI have already installed my aluminum pole and am ready to air my grievances.
You are right about the Christmas thing. It is all rather silly, and I do abhor the commercialism of Christ's birth-- this is the part that should truly outrage people. That said, what exactly IS the harm of calling a decorated fir tree a Christmas tree? We don't call minorahs (sp?) Holiday Candles. The silliness of this debate is not solely residing with conservatives on this issue, though I would say the lion's share has come from that side.
ReplyDeleteWhich brings me to my second point-- don't you find it a little hard to reconcile your "compassion for someone so empty, so lost..." with some of your more extreme rantings in other posts? And how exactly does being liberal fill you with that compassion? Really, tc, are you of the opinion that just holding a particular political viewpoint automatically makes you compassionate, and by extrapolation, anyone holding a contrary political position is incapable of compassion?
THAT said, you should stop by some time. You might be surprised to discover that I tend to agree with you on much of what you've posted lately. Not all of it, but much of it. And I miss you and John snarking at each other sniff
GROUP HUG!
P.S. The Republican Party of today is not the Republican Party of Jefferson. The Republican Party of today was born in Ripon-- you're from Wisconsin, you should know that! Shame on you.
Hey Nick- Snappy Solstice!
ReplyDeleteOf course, there's no harm at all in calling a decorated evergreen a Christmas Tree. Knock yourself out. Call it Cornholio's Festive Bunghole for all I care.
It is, of course, the subtle creeping of religioisity into the public square that is at the center of this. The Christopaths want their particular religion to be more special than everyone else's, and calling the City's tree a Holiday tree is non denominational and inclusive; this rubs their puckered souls. What the Wal-mart greeters say is up to them, and if the Corporate Overlord wants them to say Happy Holidays to expand Wal-Mart's retail grip an additional 5%, hey more Invisible Hand to 'em.
But hey, I didn't say that as a liberal I Have automatic compassion, and it's not filled by being liberal. Rather, my liberality is informed and fleshed out by empathy, which also roots my compassion.
(of course, this doesn't have anything to do with people like Brit Hume, who are merely looking for political leverage int he issue).
But hey! when someone starts in attacking me, that empathy is something I deal with later. A couple of quick round kicks and a jugular notch, and I'll debate the unfortunateness of my attacker's situation while he's laying on the ground. Being willing to defend myself, to give as good as I'm getting, doesn't invalidate the other. That's where the rants come in.
It's one of the great media messages promulgated by the right: that having empathy and understanding for one's opponents makes one weak somehow.
Happy Festivus Nick. Consider this the Airing of The grievances.
PS: Do we need to care where today's Republican Party came from? I personally feel it's been populated by outliers of Chthulhu from R'lyeh; haven't seen anything to the contrary yet.
Unitl reasonable conservatives like yourself are running the Republican show, compromise will be seen as weakness. Make Jefferson Proud.