"STOP talking about how MONEY works into the deal where love is concerned. I have to say, that might be slightly Republican of you." - BlugrrrlWe weren't talking about LOVE, blu, we were talking about MUSIC.
Money is where the entire BUSINESS is now. How else do I wind up blowing an entire paycheck on Genesis tickets? There are business weasels out there, who see that there is a market for it. After decades of driving ticket prices up for EVERYTHING, they knew what they could sell tickets for...and did it.
Maybe in the late sixties and for a short while in the seventies, there where still music lovers running parts of the industry. Hell, even Howie Klein stuck it out at Sire Records into the eighties without being an entire choadwipe.
Bands like Genesis got together because they were inspired by others, and they loved to make music. And of course, the opportunity to get girls. Musicians didn't make tons of money in 1969, other than a few mainstream pop artists who were on TV and the Grand Ol Opry. And Johnny Cash.
What I've read of the Charterhouse boys indicated that as products of an all-boys school, girls weren't even much on their mind. They loved music; and what they were inspired by? Pop music. The Single. even now, you can hear them struggle on that misbegotten first album, struggle to refine and create a Simple Pop Song.
They spent a year woodshedding, and in seclusion, had no restraint on the forms of their songs. No record label telling them to write a hit or do a cover version, just their own, collective ideas of what songs could be, and after a few tumultuous, inexperienced live shows the roughhewn trailblazer "Trespass" came tumbling out, absolutely impressing....just about nobody. How the hell did they ever get signed to a label? Charisma records was run by a MUSIC LOVER, who saw them play in those early days and saw something, some passion he responded to. And furthermore, when the album didn't do so well? allowed Genesis to keep working, to record another album which expanded on their vision but again, was no world-breaker.
The band never wrote pop hits at this time because they had developed into a communal author, often representing several viewpoints in a single song; at the same time, rock bands were experimenting with exotic song structures and long songs; FM radio actually WOULD PLAY THEM.
So the band became a progenitor of Prog Rock. Although they never really cared all that much to be known as a prog band. The band grew at their own pace, evolved, and became a huge touring act ... by touring and earning the reputation for a fantastic live show. [They did, in fact, complain a bit about the makeup of their fan base in latter days; as BG noted, it was mainly guys. But since this was after they had all been married at least once, I think it was more of a joke with them] But they never saw themselves as part of the Prog movement; in fact, had a bit of disdain for the 'serious' bands.
That kind of maturation can't happen within the Music Industry now; actually, it stopped happening in the late eighties, when marketing became a bigger part than the music.
Not that it wasn't always. 'Teen Sensations' were everywhere in the sixties, and white artists plundered Black music for sure-fire hits that didn't threaten the Biz. But during the late sixties and seventies, FM radio was an upstart that allowed music lovers a place in the Business that they didn't have before.
The difference NOW is that in this Sweet, Brave, Glorious New Century Of Fascism, the Industry is all sewn up by C minus business school graduates who wouldn't know musical passion if it gave them coke and butt-fucked them. Playlists are tighter and more closed-programmed than at the height of the payola era; and Ticketbastard rules the tours. Clear Channel programs playlists for 3/4 of the country, and use their power to promote and punish artists they don't approve of (can anyone say Dixie Chicks?)
Money, friends and chili dogs, has almost always been at the heart of music, except for a brief, shining time in the sixties and seventies. It's no coincidence that the time was an explosion of creativity and diversity in music.
But now, there's little opportunity for an artist to mature at their own pace. The Majors gobble up the Next Big Things at an unsupportable pace, mire them in unsupportable debt to get a Hot record out, then brutalize them for a follow up that exceeds it; when they don't they are unceremoniously dropped, in breach of contract and owning little, if any, of their recorded output.
It's all about Money. Of course.
Genesis was fortunate in their timing; but had they been able to write pop hits at the outset and have success at it, they would have; it was always their original love. In latter days, they make no secret of the fact that one of the band's favorite albums is Invisible Touch because it was their most successful. So it's little wonder that the current tour devotes the majority of its time to IT. If they had wanted a wildly successful tour, they could have included Supper's Ready; hell they could have just done the set list from Seconds Out, and the fans would have been in ecstasy.
Viewed in that light, it's also little wonder that they canceled the tour and hung it up after releasing Calling All Stations; it was one of their least successful albums in terms of initial sales, at least compared to recent years. even though the music was more in keeping with stronger songs like Home By The Sea and Driving The Last Spike, the pop art that Collins brought in was missing and there wasn't an obvious hit for the record company to push; hence, lower 'buzz', lower initial sales. When they couldn't top the charts, they hung it up.
It may not be about the money for Genesis any more, but they still look at it in regards to hits, airplay, and chart position.
Compare to the Mekons: the band has been dropped from no less than FOUR major labels. They've never had a decent hit, although "Where Were You ?" and "Never Been In A Riot" met with some popularity in England at punk clubs. But they've always played on; I saw them continue a tour where the record label dropped them in mid tour, because they couldn't think of anything better to do. And they made the music THEY wanted to make, and delivered it to the few fans when they could. They weathered indifference and playing in tiny dive clubs for years upon years, making their per diems from t-shirt sales the night before. Finally, now, they've ended up on an appreciative independent label, and say that each year or two, there's enough money in the pot to gather the band from the four corners and record a new release, and that's enough for them. And which band has more love of making music?
Maybe I'm being a cynical old fart, BG, but it seems to me that in this climate it's amazing that ANYTHING worthy of love can be created and delivered to fans.
Oh, there are avenues, certainly; live music and the internet are developing ways to circumvent the Biz. But how does a band go to a National status, let alone International, without having the backing of Warner, ClearChannel and Sony?
And their Money.
It'll be interesting to see how Radiohead's new business model works out.
ReplyDeleteStupid link. Try this instead.
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AG hearts Home by the Sea.
ReplyDeleteHearts almost as much as her new blog crush, Officer Gleason. Who happens to live near Superdawg and would never get it all shit on a bun chili crap way!
Great post, BP. Even if it *did* have one very cringe-worthy phrase.
ReplyDeleteI need to take it all in and I'll be back. The Skimmer's making me do billing....
It's allllllllll about the money. Always alllllllll aout the money.
I hate being a grownup.
Grizzled's a cynical old fart. He always says when an old band starts touring again, it's because they're out of drug money.
ReplyDelete'cringe-worthy phrase' I bet I know which one THAT was! Gotta keep that R rating, yanno.
ReplyDeleteJen- I was following the... well, genesis, if I may be allowed a crappy pun, of this tour and originally, the discussion included Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel. All were OK with it and signed on initially, but when things got more concrete, Gabriel started to get cold feet - too long master of his own ship, I'd guess (and I can relate) so the discussion quickly turned to what they called the 'classic trio' since they've spent more time as a three man group than any other way.
I can't see the drug thing with these boring blokes. Never trashed a hotel room or anything.
But, -and here's the thing I've always whined about - what I NEVER understood was why, especially when Collins left, they didn't make Daryl Stuermer and Chester Thompson permanent members of the band? Talk about a shot of new energy! Too bound by their own preconceptions, I guess.
Interesting, BP. The whole who was going to sign on, etc. I wonder how Phil and Gabriel feel about each other. Have you ever heard anything? Does Phil resent always being poo-poo'd and considered a lightweight next to Mr. Gabriel? Does Mr. Gabriel think higher of himself because of all that?
ReplyDeleteInquiring minds want to know!
And I never figured the Genesis guys for drug guys either. Even though Tony Banks could use *something* to lighten up a tad.
Phil and Peter always got on very well. It was an unusual set up in those days (partially because when they started, they didn't know how to arrange a band on stage!) but Phil was right next to Peter on stage, and spent most of their time working off each other.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, Phil drummed on some of Gabriel's albums, and I believe he also toured with Gabe at one point.
Interestingly, you can still see a remnant of those early days in the current stage arrangement: Banks has ALWAYS been far right, Rutherford on the left side (usually Hackett was far left) and Phil's drum set is still next to Banks, just set farther back and balanced by Chester's kit.
I think, contrary to the evil Pop Genius Taking Over The Band, Phil is actually a very humble, unprepossessing guy, always gets along with everybody. His taking over the vocals was a last effort by the band, and he took some convincing to take the front position permanently.
everything I've heard is that the band members, old and new, still like each other just fine. Several years ago, when Gabriel was trying to get his WOMAD organization off the ground and was in debt, the band got back together for three (relatively crappy, unrehearsed) old-school benefit shows to erase his debt.
But BG, to answer your question more directly, I think Phil seems to feel that having more hits than Gabriel and leading the band to higher success always meant that Peter was the one who gets poo-pooed, and is kind of running behind.
ReplyDeletePhil is actually a very humble, unprepossessing guy, always gets along with everybody.
ReplyDeleteYou know, I've always felt like that was really true. I really have. He *did* POP! BOING-BOING-BOING right off the edge of the earth, but he always seemed like a good guy.
You know, I, of course, DO know exactly what you mean in your post and your comment here...
I think Phil seems to feel that having more hits than Gabriel and leading the band to higher success always meant that Peter was the one who gets poo-pooed, and is kind of running behind.
And all that could very well be true. But, sometimes monetary success or having "hits" doesn't mean it makes you happy if you don't feel like you've done something true to your artistic talents. It's like, how do you truly define success?
Peter Gabriel always seemed to stay more "true" as an artist. (Forget Sledgehammer) Does that mean he was more successful? I guess it depends on who you are and how you think.
I think I'd rather have that sort of success.
Too each his own, I suppose.
Also remember, BG, that we're talking about people who came of age inthe late sixties/early seventies, when 'artistic vision' could also means 'tons of hits' eric clapton and Led Zeppelin never wrote pop hits.
ReplyDeleteAnd writing pop hits wasn't a dig. The intersection of pop and 'serious, artistic' music was much larger.
So it's possible that Phil feels he's done both.
In any case, I don't figure either guy feels any kind of regret or competition for their musical history. A road diverged and all that. I figure at this point, both CAN do exactly what makes them happy, and feck the popular opinion (if I may use AG's cuss-fake). Witness Gabriel's inclusion of his daughter on his last tour.
What do you think the most serious pop song ever recorded was? Or....that may be too hard.
ReplyDeleteGive me a few. What do you think Clapton's would be?
No idea.
ReplyDeleteI think Zelmo's AWOL. Can't raise him on ANY of the standard frequencies.
Hope he manages to make it down the The Big City tomorrow. Sometimes, he finds it hard to elude the Eyes and slip outside The Wire...
No idea?
ReplyDeleteWhat about Layla?
I'm not a huge Clapton fan.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm worried about Zelmo.
Maybe that guy in his office with the Soldier of Fortune subscription finally flipped out....
Nice post BP.
ReplyDeleteWhere do I begin with the perfect Clapton song?
I Feel Free
Strange Brew
Sunshine of Your Love
White Room
Crossroads
Badge
Let It Grow
Mainline Florida
Prescence of the Lord
Cocaine
Knockin' on Heaven's Door
Forever Man
The Core
Now who said perfect Clapton song?
ReplyDeleteWe weren't talking about anything like that.
Zelmo lives!
ReplyDeleteI like Eric Clapton. Saw him -- I have no idea what year -- 2nd row. He stood in front of me like the handsome devil that he is. Put his cigarette in the strings on the upperneck of his guitar. Such a cool move. I mean, perfect move.
Guess who was on the drums? Can you guess?
Ummmm...would his initials happen to be P.C.? He played drums at Live Aid with Clapton's band during the 80's and helped play and produce "Behind the Sun" and "August".
ReplyDeleteBlue Girl, did you catch him at his Crossroads festival this summer in Chicago?
It was an outstanding event with several highlights: Derek Trucks, Robert Randolph, B.B. King, Jeff Beck and Buddy Guy. Steve Winwood with Clapton playing Blind Faith's "Prescence of the Lord" and "Can't Find My Way Home". Who knew Steve Winwood could shred a guitar? Clapton was more or less in the background, content to play host to his party of blues legends, but when he came out on stage, the old slowhand was smokin'.
No, I don't go to a ton of concerts anymore. But I do have to say...
ReplyDeleteSteve Winwood with Clapton playing Blind Faith's "Can't Find My Way Home" would be so awesome.
I always really like Steve Winwood. He seems to be another guy people rip on, but I like him.
I'm gonna play Can't Find My Way Home now!
Oh. And yes. It was "P.C."
Jeez, I'm sorry I mentioned Clapton.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, my extensive, impassioned music Industry rant goes unnoticed.
It didn't go unnoticed, BP. We said it was a great post. And I did the whole "celebrity" vs. "success" thing. I understand why the industries do it, but I still don't understand or agree when *we* do it. When we value more or less by what we spend. Like the whole "box office" thing when people talk about a movie's success. I just don't like to do that.
ReplyDeleteAll industries stink now for the same reason. Every read Nancy Nall's rants about the newspaper business?
It's the same in advertising.
As I'm sure it's the same in most if not all industries anymore.
The golden days are over -- it's a global world, baby. I started working right at the tail end of the really fun times. Got a few good years in.
Maybe I sound like an old lady - but, I really think it's all changed -- and not for the good either.
Careful, Zelmo, she had an UNFULFILLING Genesis experience.
ReplyDeleteIt's like we don't even KNOW Blugrrl any more.